[EL] smith on cu

Steve Hoersting hoersting at gmail.com
Fri Apr 3 10:04:17 PDT 2015 

Am I remembering correctly that "completely" and "wholly" independent are
J. Breyer's words for the Court in McConnell?

Have those words been adopted elsewhere? I don't remember.

Those words connote that any sanctuary for IEs is mostly a trap for the
unwary, for Breyer and his allies.

Those words, however, will not carry the same freight for Justices who
understand that independence is a valid concept -- it creates room to speak
-- it is a workable construct; a concept that exists.

Best,
Steve
On Apr 3, 2015 12:54 PM, "Trevor Potter" <tpotter at capdale.com> wrote:

> Of course, the Court was explicitly talking about " independent
> expenditures"-- which it has repeatedly defined as " completely", " wholly"
> separate from any candidate or political party. That is what insulates them
> from corruption and the appearance of corruption. That does not describe
> the Super Pacs we routinely see today-including " Sen . Reid's Senate
> Majority PAC"...
>
> Trevor Potter
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 3, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Smith, Brad <BSmith at law.capital.edu> wrote:
> >
> > See, this is what I mean. I've
> >
> > Bradley Smith got a couple hundred pages, plus thousands more in other
> writings. Rick takes 5 words and thinks he's nailed my philosophy.
> >
> > By the way, if look at the part if CU that Rick quotes, what does the
> Court say? It says that there is "scant evidence" that IEs create undue
> gratitude, and that in any case, that is not sufficient to justify
> regulation. Which was my point.
> >
> > When I teach I try to point out to my students that they must try to
> understand what the Court is doing as the Court understands it. Otherwise,
> they will fail to understand what is going on and fail to make arguments
> that persuade the court.
> >
> > When you look at what the court is doing, I think my quote is a pretty
> good 50 word summary of what the court is doing, and I'm disappointed that
> ricks response was to impugn my intellectual integrity.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 3, 2015, at 12:14 PM, "Rick Hasen" <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> I get an even greater kick of an argument against literalism in
> campaign finance law interpretation when this critique comes from a person
> who ends his book on campaign finance ("Unfree Speech") by reminding us
> that the First
> >> Amendment begins with “Congress shall make no law . . . ”
> >>
> >>> On 4/3/15 8:10 AM, Smith, Brad wrote:
> >>> I get a kick out of the stubborn obtuseness and literalism of people
> who refuse to understand the court's decisions o. The court's terms.
> >>>
> >>> Bradley Smith
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:51 AM, "Rick Hasen" <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> “Ted Stevens Case Looms Over Menendez Indictment”<
> http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71516>
> >>>> Posted on April 3, 2015 7:49 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71516>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike Sacks<
> http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=1202722424024/Ted-Stevens-Case-Looms-Over-Menendez-Indictment>
> reports for NLJ.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >
> >>>> Posted in chicanery<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=12>, direct
> democracy<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=62>
> >>>> “In a Short Time, Ted Cruz Has Raised Big Money From Small Donors”<
> http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71514>
> >>>> Posted on April 3, 2015 7:44 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71514>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> NYT’s The Upshot reports.<
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/upshot/what-ted-cruzs-early-fund-raising-means-and-doesnt.html?ref=politics&abt=0002&abg=1
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>
> >>>> “Interim Report on Voting Equipment Performance, Usage &
> Certification”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71512>
> >>>> Posted on April 3, 2015 7:33 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71512>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> From Virginia<
> http://elections.virginia.gov/WebDocs/VotingEquipReport/1.pdf> (more
> here)<http://elections.virginia.gov/webdocs/VotingEquipReport/>.
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in election administration<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=18>,
> voting technology<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=40>
> >>>> “A Skewed Electoral Field”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71510>
> >>>> Posted on April 3, 2015 7:29 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71510>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> Rob Richie<
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/opinion/a-skewed-electoral-field.html>
> NYT letter to the editor.
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in electoral college<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=44>
> >>>> “Fresh Questions About ‘Coordination’ Rules”<
> http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71508>
> >>>> Posted on April 3, 2015 7:28 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71508>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bauer<
> http://www.moresoftmoneyhardlaw.com/2015/04/fresh-questions-coordination-rules/>
> on Brickner on Gilbert.
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>
> >>>> #SCOTUS Didn’t Mean It When They Said It Dep’t<
> http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71506>
> >>>> Posted on April 3, 2015 7:25 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71506>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> Brad Smith<
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/us/politics/robert-menendez-indictment-points-to-corrupting-potential-of-super-pacs.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1>
> trying to recast the holding of Citizens United in the NYT:
> >>>>
> >>>> “The court’s position is pretty simple, and it is not that
> independent expenditures can never create gratitude in an officeholder,”
> said Bradley A. Smith, a professor of law at Capital University Law School.
> “Rather it is that as a constitutional matter, they do not pose a threat of
> corruption sufficient to justify the invasions of First Amendment rights
> that the ‘reformers’ crave.”
> >>>>
> >>>> Here’s what the Court actually said in Citizens United<
> http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=08-205
> >:
> >>>>
> >>>> The McConnell record was “over 100,000 pages” long, McConnell I, 251
> F. Supp. 2d, at 209, yet it “does not have any direct examples of votes
> being exchanged for . . . expenditures,” id., at 560 (opinion of
> Kollar-Kotelly, J.). This confirms Buckley‘s reasoning that independent
> expenditures do not lead to, or create the appearance of,quid pro quo
> corruption. In fact, there is only scant evidence that independent
> expenditures even ingratiate. See 251 F. Supp. 2d, at 555-557 (opinion of
> Kollar-Kotelly, J.). Ingratiation and access, in any event, are not
> corruption.
> >>>>
> >>>> I explain how the Court significantly narrowed the definition of
> corruption in Citizens United in my Michigan Law Review article, Citizens
> United and the Illusion of Coherence<
> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1620576>. It is a
> trend that was extended from expenditures to contributions in last year’s
> McCutcheon case.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>,
> Supreme Court<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=29>
> >>>> “Gov. Scott’s criticism of online voter registration angers counties”<
> http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71504>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 4:17 pm<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71504>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> News<
> http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/scotts-criticism-of-online-voter-registration-angers-elections-officials/2223877>
> from FL.
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in Uncategorized<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=1>
> >>>> “The Menendez Case Proves the Supreme Court Was Naive About Campaign
> Finance Laws”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71502>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 4:10 pm<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71502>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> Christian Farias writes<
> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121446/menedez-corruption-case-exposes-supreme-court-naivete>
> for TNR.
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>,
> Supreme Court<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=29>
> >>>> “Robert Menendez Indictment Points to Corrupting Potential of Super
> PACs”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71500>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 4:09 pm<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71500>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> NYT reports.<
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/us/politics/robert-menendez-indictment-points-to-corrupting-potential-of-super-pacs.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>
> >>>> Michael Boos on @99Rise: “Do As I Say, Not As I Do”<
> http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71498>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 4:07 pm<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71498>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> The following is a guest post from Michael Boos, Vice President and
> General Counsel of the group Citizens United:
> >>>>
> >>>> The group 99Rise made headlines earlier this week when several of its
> members disrupted proceedings at the U.S. Supreme Court in a protest over
> the Supreme Court’s recent campaign finance law rulings, including Citizens
> United v. FEC. This wasn’t the first time, the group disrupted the Supreme
> Court. Last year, several of its members, including co-founder Kai Newkirk,
> pulled off a similar stunt. There’s even of videotape of Newkirk yelling:
> “Money is not speech. Corporations are not people.” 99Rise’s anti-corporate
> theme appears throughout its promotional materials, including on its
> website, where it calls for a constitutional amendment to “ensure that
> neither private wealth nor corporate privilege could be used to exercise
> undue influence over elections and policy making.”
> >>>>
> >>>> While 99Rise and its spokespersons rail against corporations, nowhere
> on its website or in its promotional materials does the group or its
> leaders disclose a critical fact – 99Rise is the very embodiment of the
> corporate form that it so readily condemns. According to filings with the
> California Secretary of State’s office, 99Rise is a consortium of two
> corporate entities – 99Rise National Support Center, which was incorporated
> on August 7, 2014, and 99Rise Action, which was incorporated on October 14,
> 2014. And both corporate entities share the same registered agent – Noah
> Kai Newkirk – the anti-corporate protester who disrupted the Supreme Court.
> >>>>
> >>>> But there’s more. 99Rise solicits contributions on its website, where
> the contribution page tells would be contributors: “Contributions are
> tax-deductible.” This, of course, implies the group is a California
> charity. Nevertheless, according to the California Attorney General’s
> charities website, none of the 99Rise organizations are registered with
> that office to solicit contributions for charitable purposes
> >>>>
> >>>> 99Rise, a group that’s clearly the personification of “Do As I Say,
> Not As I Do.”
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael Boos
> >>>>
> >>>> Vice President & General Counsel
> >>>>
> >>>> Citizens United
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>
> >>>> “Don’t like ‘dark money’ in your politics? This guy could help stop
> it with a pen.”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71496>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 10:05 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71496>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael Keegan oped<
> http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/01/how-obama-could-help-solve-the-dark-money-problem/>
> at Reuters.
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>
> >>>> “A compromise in Connecticut; Registrars and Merrill reach consensus
> on reform legislation”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71494>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 9:31 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71494>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> That’s the lead story in this week’s Electionline Weekly<
> http://www.electionline.org/index.php/electionline-weekly>.
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in election administration<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=18>
> >>>> “Thanks to Obama, the New World of Campaign Finance Is Unlimited and
> Undisclosed”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71492>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 8:53 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71492>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bloomberg Politics.<
> http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-02/thanks-to-obama-the-new-world-of-campaign-finance-is-unlimited-and-undisclosed?cmpid=BBD040215&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=The%20Brief&utm_campaign=Politics%20Newsletter%20-%20April%202%2C%202015
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>
> >>>> “Delaying your candidacy doesn’t mean you can avoid campaign finance
> rules”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71490>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 8:53 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71490>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> FEC Chair Ann Ravel oped.<
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/if-it-walks-like-a-candidate-and-talks-like-a-candidate-/2015/03/31/87a91a14-d490-11e4-8fce-3941fc548f1c_story.html
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>,
> federal election commission<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=24>
> >>>> “America’s ‘Menendez’ problem: How big money poisons politics — and
> how it can be fixed”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71488>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 8:52 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71488>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> Stephen Spauling oped<
> http://www.salon.com/2015/04/02/americas_menendez_problem_how_big_money_poisons_politics_and_how_it_can_be_fixed/>
> in Salon.
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in campaign finance<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>
> >>>> “Senator Robert Menendez — possibly corrupt, definitely bad at using
> AmEx reward points”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71486>
> >>>> Posted on April 2, 2015 8:42 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71486>
> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL.<http://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8333447/menendez-amex>
> >>>>
> >>>> [Share]<
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> >
> >>>> Posted in chicanery<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=12>
> >>>>
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