[EL] Curious if a single person on this list would back up President-Elect Trump on 2 assertions today

Mon Nov 28 08:31:13 PST 2016

The President-elect's comments at least have the virtue of consistency. Why
should massive voter fraud only be real when Democrats win and suddenly
mythological when Republicans prevail? Rob, I suspect no one on this list
will take up your challenge and try to be as consistent in their
myth-making as the President-elect. But if they do, have them also answer:
why do illegal voters uniformly align with the Democratic Party?
Presidential elections split every group and subgroup of voters but illegal
voters seem to only vote Democratic.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Rob Richie <rr at fairvote.org> wrote:

> Just affirming that no takers on this challenge of defending the two
> assertions made yesterday by Donald Trump?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016, Rob Richie <rr at fairvote.org> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> President-elect Donald Trump has a quick thumb on Twitter, it seems. See report
>> in New York Times,
>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/us/politics/trump-adviser-steps-up-searing-attack-on-romney.html>
>> and see three tweets in a row at the bottom of this email, which put
>> together result in this text:
>>
>> "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the
>> popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. It
>> would have been much easier for me to win the so-called popular vote than
>> the Electoral College in that I would only campaign in 3 or 4 states
>> instead of the 15 states that I visited. I would have won even more easily
>> and convincingly (but smaller states are forgotten)!"
>>
>> So this list has participants with a full range of political opinions.
>> But I'm curious to know if a single person on this list would attempt to
>> back two claims in this statement:
>>
>> 1. Trump in fact won the popular vote this year "if you deduct the
>> millions of people who voted illegally."
>> 2. With a national popular vote, he would have campaigned in only 3 or 4
>> states instead of the whopping 15 states that he visited out of the
>> nation's 51 (counting DC).
>>
>> When making your  argument, keep in mind the latest data in from Dave
>> Wasserman as he tracks the national popular vote here:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdV
>> ns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/edit#gid=19
>>
>> With votes still being counted and finalized, Clinton's lead is up to
>> more than 2.2 million (48.2% to 46.5%). It is expected to rise to more than
>>  2.5% and about two percentage points. So let us know where that many
>> illegal votes were cast this year -- seems important to have that
>> information!
>>
>> Also, keep in mind the math of our nation's states when defending Trump's
>> prospective campaign tactics with a popular vote. Mike McDonald's
>> spreadsheet on turnout is  here
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VAcF0eJ06y_8T4o2gvIL
>> 4YcyQy8pxb1zYkgXF76Uu1s/edit#gid=2030096602
>>
>> Assuming comparable turnout of eligible voters across state, a candidate
>> could win 100% of the vote in the 4 largest states (California, Texas,
>> Florida and New York) and have only 31% of all votes in the nation.  In,
>> fact, you could win every cast in the 9 largest states and still be well
>> under 50% of votes in the entire country - -and those states include a mix
>> of strongly Democratic and Republican states, showing how still it is to
>> suggest getting much more than half of the vote in those states in a
>> nationally close election.
>>
>> So suggesting that campaigning in 15 states was due to our current
>> Electoral College rules seems, well, a stretch. You can see how often he
>> campaigned in those states, by the sway, at our tracker
>>  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Lxw0vc4YBUwQ8cZouy
>> ewZvOGg6PyzS2mArWNe3iJcY/edit#gid=0
>>
>> Post-convention, Trump did well over half of his campaign evens in the
>> four largest swing states - 26 campaign events in Florida, 16 in North
>> Carolina,  13 in Ohio and 14 on Pennsylvania. Of our 13 states (counting
>> DC) with 3 or 4 electoral votes, he campaigned in only two -- 8 events in
>> New Hampshire, and 3 in Maine
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rob Richie
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. *Donald J. Trump* ‏@realDonaldTrump
>>    <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump> 3h3 hours ago
>>    <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802975667197386752>
>>
>>    states instead of the 15 states that I visited. I would have won even
>>    more easily and convincingly (but smaller states are forgotten)!
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>>    *Donald J. Trump* ‏@realDonaldTrump
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>>    <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802973848022847489>
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>>    It would have been much easier for me to win the so-called popular
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>>    *Donald J. Trump* ‏@realDonaldTrump
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>>    <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802972944532209664>
>>
>>    In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won
>>    the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
>>
>>
>>
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