[EL] If elections can be rigged...

Tue Oct 18 17:52:34 PDT 2016

I apologize for the bulk mail instead of the intended individual message.    Substance aside, it was neither civil nor appropriate for the list.

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On Oct 18, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com<mailto:benjamin.barr at gmail.com>> wrote:

I do believe it is remarkably difficult to selectively edit comments into people's mouths.  Take these doozies from the band of corrupt Democratic operatives we found during our investigation (both from the lovely Scott Foval, Americans United for Change):

  1.  "No, I’m saying we have mentally ill people, that we pay to do shit, make no mistake. Over the last twenty years? I’ve paid off a few homeless guys to do some crazy stuff, and I’ve also taken them for dinner, and I’ve also made sure they had a hotel, and a shower, and I put them in a program. Like I’ve done that. But the reality is, a lot of people, especially, our union guys? A lot of union guys? They’ll do whateeeevvverrr you want. They’re rock ‘n roll."
  2.  "It’s a pretty easy thing for Republicans to say, Well they’re bussing people in! Well you know what? We’ve been bussing people in to deal with you fuckin’ assholes for fifty years and we’re not going to stop now, we’re just going to find a different way to do it."

I don't know of anyone who has telepathic powers to make someone utter such words.  Nor do I know how you'd magically edit a video to make these words occur.  Occam's razor, and all that, seems to indicate this is activity we should be concerned about, even if some, perhaps, don't care for the messenger.

Forward,

Benjamin Barr
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Project Veritas Action Fund

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:43 PM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu<mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu>> wrote:

1.       No sites are banned Jim. I didn’t stop Benjamin from posting a thing. Criticizing something is not the same as banning it, as you should well know.

2.       Here’s a bit from Snopes on why Project Veritas deserves no trust for their selective editing: http://electionlawblog.org/?p=87688.  Unlike Project Veritas, a link on ELB leads to the full source.  A big difference.  I think I also don’t have a record of falsifying information.

3.       If you don’t like the selection of articles, you can continue to send your own.  Or you can unsubscribe to this list. Or you can do with my posts what some list members tell me they do with yours: delete without reading.

Rick

From: jboppjr <jboppjr at aol.com<mailto:jboppjr at aol.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 4:35 PM
To: Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu<mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu>>, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com<mailto:benjamin.barr at gmail.com>>, Fredric Woocher <fwoocher at strumwooch.com<mailto:fwoocher at strumwooch.com>>

Cc: Election Law Listserv <law-election at uci.edu<mailto:law-election at uci.edu>>
Subject: Re: [EL] If elections can be rigged...

As I have observed, editors always edit, even hosts of a list serve. Rich, you have posted numerous articles where the writers selectively quote people. So tell me, what did the Democrat operatives say that was not clear?

It does bother me that Veritas is banned but numerous hard left sites are eagerly posted. Really, the participants in this list serve are mature enough to decide what to believe.

And one final question, what other sites are banned?  Bopp

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From: Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu<mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu>>
Date: 10/18/16 6:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: jboppjr <jboppjr at aol.com<mailto:jboppjr at aol.com>>, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com<mailto:benjamin.barr at gmail.com>>, Fredric Woocher <fwoocher at strumwooch.com<mailto:fwoocher at strumwooch.com>>
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Subject: Re: [EL] If elections can be rigged...
Jim,
Veritas has been found to have selectively edited and doctored videos in the past.  This is not the raw tape.
And really “Lying scumbags,” Jim?

From: <law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu<mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>> on behalf of jboppjr <jboppjr at aol.com<mailto:jboppjr at aol.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 3:03 PM
To: Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com<mailto:benjamin.barr at gmail.com>>, Fredric Woocher <fwoocher at strumwooch.com<mailto:fwoocher at strumwooch.com>>
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Subject: Re: [EL] If elections can be rigged...

The trashing by liberals about the "source" is misplaced. Veritas is not the "source." The Democrat operatives are on tape and are the source. And they are explaining exactly the illegal voter fraud activity they are engaged in. So are the liberals here saying that these Democrat operatives are what? Lying scumbags? Not nice. Jim Bopp

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From: Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com<mailto:benjamin.barr at gmail.com>>
Date: 10/18/16 5:27 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Fredric Woocher <fwoocher at strumwooch.com<mailto:fwoocher at strumwooch.com>>
Cc: law-election at uci.edu<mailto:law-election at uci.edu>
Subject: Re: [EL] If elections can be rigged...
Seems credible. As a result of Veritas reporting, Scott Foval (Americans United for Change) and Bob Creamer (Democracy Partners) have been pushed out/resigned/fired yesterday and today. Seems significant.

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On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Fredric Woocher <fwoocher at strumwooch.com<mailto:fwoocher at strumwooch.com>> wrote:
Such a credible source.

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Subject: Re: [EL] If elections can be rigged...

Why do you suppose democratic operatives have bragged<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs> about having bussed people for 50 years to engage in voter fraud?

Forward,

Benjamin Barr

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Schultz, David A. <dschultz at hamline.edu<mailto:dschultz at hamline.edu>> wrote:
If elections can be rigged, either party can do it.  The secretary of state (or commonwealth) is the chief election officer in each state and they would have the ability to manipulate the election system to the benefit of their favored candidate.  Of the 50 states, 27 are Republican.  Among the 11 swing states that are Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina,  Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin, only four, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin, are controlled by Democrats.  Republicans control nearly two-thirds of the secretaries of state in the critical swing states and presumably would not have an incentive to rig the election in favor of Clinton.

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