[EL] Listserv messages.

Mon Oct 24 14:11:02 PDT 2016

It is pretty clear that this is a problem affecting some people using aol or yahoo to send list messages.  There is nothing we can do about it from the sending end. The listserv is sending out the messages correctly. It is the receiving servers that are sometimes treating these messages as spam.

If you have one of these addresses and want to be sure this won’t be a problem with messages you send, you should change to a gmail or other address for sending messages (using the instructions that will come on the first of the month for making a subscription chage)

From: <law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu> on behalf of Douglas Carver <dhmcarver at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, October 24, 2016 at 11:45 AM
To: Rob Richie <rr at fairvote.org>
Cc: Election Law Listserv <law-election at uci.edu>
Subject: Re: [EL] Listserv messages.

I have the same filtering problem as Rob on my end, with the same people going to spam.

Douglas Carver
Albuquerque, NM

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 7:54 AM, Rob Richie <rr at fairvote.org<mailto:rr at fairvote.org>> wrote:
All of Jim's emails come through to me, but I had to set up a special filter in my gmail program to stop messages from AOL and yahoo addresses going straight to spam.

To show it wasn't Google getting all ideological on us, it also affected emails from Craig Holman (AOL) and Richard Winger (yahoo).

Rob

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu<mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu>> wrote:
Hearing from one other person not receiving Jim's posts. They are coming out of listserv as shown in the archives:

http://department-lists.uci.edu/pipermail/law-election/2016-October/date.html

So the problem is on the receiving end. Check with your isp or mail provider.

Thanks

Rick Hasen
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 6:34 AM -0700, "Rick Hasen" <rhasen at law.uci.edu<mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu>> wrote:
If I'm counting right people on the list will now have seen this five times. There must be an issue on your end.
Rick Hasen
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos.

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From: jboppjr at aol.com<mailto:jboppjr at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: Rick's disagreement with my statement about Trump
To: Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu<mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu>>, <law-election at uci.edu<mailto:law-election at uci.edu>>
Cc: <lowenstein at law.ucla.edu<mailto:lowenstein at law.ucla.edu>>

This post was not emailed out.  I am asking that that be done.  Jim

In a message dated 10/22/2016 8:59:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rhasen at law.uci.edu<mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu> writes:
We have had some problems in the past with aol users receiving messages. One can always check archives to see if a message was sent out.
Rick Hasen
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 5:17 AM -0700, "JBoppjr at aol.com<mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com>" <JBoppjr at aol.com<mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com>> wrote:
Several of my colleagues have told me that they don't see my post distributed by email, unless someone responds.  Same with me. I am resending this since it was not emailed out yesterday when I origionally sent it.  Jim Bopp

In a message dated 10/21/2016 11:59:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JBoppjr at aol.com<mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com> writes:
This is Rick's third personal attack on me in the last 3 days:

The first and second are here:

Rick, this is the second time in so many days that you have personally attacked me.

Yesterday you said:

3.       If you don’t like the selection of articles, you can continue to send your own.  Or you can unsubscribe to this list. Or you can do with my posts what some list members tell me they do with yours: delete without reading.

I am sure every one on this list serve has deleted posts without reading them, including myself, but I have never felt a need to personally attack them by publicly broadcasting that.

And today:

I always thought of you as a straight shooter before this election and this voter fraud garbage. We’ve disagreed but I’ve seen you as making fundamentally honest arguments.

It is an unfortunate trait of some to assume that because they disagree with someone, the other one is being "dishonest."  I am sorry to see that you are in that number.

And now below Rick says:

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Of course, a comparable ad hominem attack that someone could, but shouldn't, make on Rick would be "For (Rick Hasen) to (attack) this statement which (ensures accountability in our electoral system by not waiving the possibilities of a recount in a close election) is disappointing but not surprising. (Rick) is a hard-core (leftist) who cares about the balance of power on the Supreme Court more that anything else. A (Trump) presidency could bring his years long project to (gut the First Amendment) to a halt."

This statement shouldn't be made about Rick, not because it is not true, but because we should try to rise above these personal attacks if possible. And three in three days by Rick on me is really a bit too much. Jim Bopp

In a message dated 10/21/2016 11:00:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rhasen at law.uci.edu<mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu> writes:
Jim Bopp and I Differ in Understanding Trump’s Comments About Not Conceding<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=87878>
Posted on October 21, 2016 7:47 am<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=87878> by Rick Hasen<http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
What else is new?<https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/788946270471749637/photo/1>
[ttps://www.addtoany.com/share#url=http://electionlawblog.org/?p=87878&title=Jim Bopp and I Differ in Und]<https://www.addtoany.com/share#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D87878&title=Jim%20Bopp%20and%20I%20Differ%20in%20Understanding%20Trump%E2%80%99s%20Comments%20About%20Not%20Conceding>
Posted in election administration<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=18>, The Voting Wars<http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=60>

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