[EL] Social Security has eased proof of age requirements since I worked for SSA

Sun Apr 16 20:18:12 PDT 2017

My information was incorrect.  Nowadays, if the medicare or social-security-benefits applicant alleges a date of birth that matches what he or she said for date of birth when first applying for a social security card, then no birth certificate is requested.   Richard Winger 415-922-9779 PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

      From: Fredric Woocher <fwoocher at strumwooch.com>
 To: Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "Schultz, David A." <dschultz at hamline.edu>; Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu>; Election Law Listserv <law-election at uci.edu>
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I don't think this is correct, Richard.  Both my wife and I are on Medicare, and neither of us had to provide a birth certificate to the SSA.  
Fredric D. Woocher Strumwasser & Woocher LLP 

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On Apr 14, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com> wrote:

I am not sympathetic to the Iowa voter ID law, but it is worth nothing that when someone files for Social Security benefits, even just medicare, SSA requires the applicant to submit a birth certificate or else show that it is impossible to do so.  I doubt the Social Security requirement causes any outrage by anyone.
For those for whom a birth certificate doesn't exist, SSA works with the Census Bureau to get the records of that person in old Census records.
 Richard Winger 415-922-9779 PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

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It seems awfully privileged and arrogant to assume that all of us have at ready disposal our immigration papers or even our birth certificates.  I for one do not have my birth certificate and if I ever needed one I would have to contact NY (I live in MN) and pay the fees to obtain it.  In addition, for those naturalized as children I doubt all of them readily have their immigration papers and even for those naturalized as a adult not everyone has the papers because frankly,they might not think they need them after a certain period of time or they were lost, or who knows what.
It is easy to say it is easy to do something when we sit in tenured professorships making good money and not having to worry about life.
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Rick Hasen<rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:

Message from Ari Berman (who is not on the listserv but who got forwarded some of the posts by a list member): My mom doesn’t know if my grandmother still had a copy of her naturalization papers (they’re traveling now and her papers are somewhere in a box in Iowa). But even if she did, the naturalization papers would’ve had her maiden name, not the married name she used on her Medicare card & all other documents, which would’ve posed an additional problem for obtaining a voter ID. The point of my story was that she did not possess any of the forms of ID now required by Iowa to vote.   From: "Smith, Brad" <BSmith at law.capital.edu>
Date: Friday, April 14, 2017 at 4:54 AM
To: Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu>, Election Law Listserv <law-election at uci.edu>
Subject: Disenfranchised? Would Ari Berman's mother really have been "disenfranchised" by the voter ID law advancing in Iowa? Since his mother voted, she presumably was a U.S. citizen. Since, as Berman explains, she was a U.S. citizen by naturalization, she would have naturalization papers. A resident of Iowa may obtain an Iowa non-operator ID by presenting naturalization papers.   Bradley A. SmithJosiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault   Professor of LawCapital University Law School303 E. Broad St.Columbus, OH 43215614.236.6317http://law.capital.edu/ faculty/bios/bsmith.aspxFrom:law-election-bounces@ department-lists.uci.edu [law-election-bounces@ department-lists.uci.edu] on behalf of Rick Hasen [rhasen at law.uci.edu]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:05 AM
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Subject: [EL] ELB News and Commentary 4/14/17  “Iowa’s New Voter-ID Law Would Have Disenfranchised My Grandmother”Posted on April 13, 2017 8:42 pm by Rick HasenAri Berman for The Nation:My grandmother Sylvia moved from Brooklyn to Iowa when she was 89 years old. It was a culture shock, to say the least. When my mom took her to vote, she complained of the candidates, “There isn’t anybody who’s Jewish!”I thought of my grandmother, who passed away in 2005 at 99, when the Iowa Legislature passed a strict voter-ID law today. She didn’t have a driver’s license because she never drove (she’d frequently walk two miles from her apartment to the grocery store). Her passport expired long ago. She never had a US birth certificate because she was born in Poland and fled the Holocaust. She used her Medicare card as identification. She didn’t possess any of the forms of government-issued photo identification that Iowa will soon require to vote.The ACLU of Iowa reports that 11 percent of eligible Iowa voters—260,000 people—don’t have a driver’s license or non-operator ID, according to the US Census and the Iowa Department of Transportation, and could be disenfranchised by the bill. My grandmother, if she were still alive today, would have been one of them.<image001.png>Posted in election administration, The Voting Wars p://electionlawblog.org
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