[EL] Verifying Citizenship For Voter Registration
Lillie Coney
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Thu Feb 16 08:08:12 PST 2017
I take it case by case
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> On Feb 16, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Howard Brown <chaimjeffrey at gmail.com> wrote:
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> There is not broad agreement on the objective.
> H Brown
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>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Lillie Coney <coney at lillieconey.net> wrote:
>> I try to stay on the logic of saying the objective is one thing but the consequences of doing something is in fact harming the ability to achieve the objective.
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>>> On Feb 16, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Howard Brown <chaimjeffrey at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Don't you think that a factor in not figuring out voter enrollment is the competing agendas of the entities involved? I hear from a retired highly visible pro-Democratic activist in voting rights that, yes, citizenship is basically self-declared, but then he lists all the reasons why non-citizens wouldn't attempt to vote. What does that say?
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>>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Lillie Coney <coney at lillieconey.net> wrote:
>>>> One agency cannot "fix" the accuracy of another agency's database nor should we want that to occur. There could be serious repercussions if data is called into question. To determine the accuracy opens up litigation and cherry picking depending on the view of the chief election administrator.
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>>>> Anyone over 18 can vote. Let us assume that at age 18 the person has not done something to lose their suffrage, and that a naturalized citizen has no offense to prevent them from voting.
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>>>> If the process of automatic registration begins then overtime the issue of databases becomes less of a talking point.
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>>>> In any case, we can figure out how to do a lot of government functions but we cannot seem to figure out voter enrollment.
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>>>>> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Jon Sherman <jsherman at fairelectionsnetwork.com> wrote:
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>>>>> If you review the subject line, this was a discussion about an actual election administration issue, the means states have at their disposal to verify the US citizenship of voter registration applicants and the accuracy of various databases that are used to that end.
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>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Ilya Shapiro <IShapiro at cato.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "whereas demographics that are very much opposed to him are being actively suppressed and blocked at every turn." - Thinking this is another reason why we got Trump. Voter ID -- let alone administrative tweaks of voting hours/days -- are simply not suppression, no matter how much people jump up and down or invoke specious disparate-impact theories (which alas some judges swallow but that doesn't mean they comport with reality). Suggest people focus on actual problems with election administration, let alone actual social problems that are beyond the scope of this listserv.
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>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Bensman, Lina <lbensman at cgsh.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> whereas demographics that are very much opposed to him are being actively suppressed and blocked at every turn.
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> Jew-hatred, Jewish pride
> The reason that we are not liked is not because all kinds of accusations are leveled against us:
> no, they level accusations against us because they do not like us...
> We were here before them, and we will be leaving after them. We are fine just the way we are.
> We will not be any different, nor do we want to be.
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