[EL] A Russian walks into a meeting bearing info

Tue Jul 11 11:36:19 PDT 2017

>
> [Y]ou're saying that the sentence "[I]f it's what you say I love it
> especially later in the summer." is not evidence of solicitation. You think
> this sentence is materially different from Donald Trump Jr. being in a room
> with Russian government / intelligence officials and directly asking them
> to hack Democratic Party officials, staff etc. and release damaging emails
> or information? If so, why?

Perhaps because I am not in tune with the school of “winks and nods,” I
believe the distinction is self evident.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Jon Sherman <
jsherman at fairelectionsnetwork.com> wrote:

> I understand you think there are First Amendment problems with the ban's
> application here to an American citizen, but on the evidence, i.e. whether
> or not it applies, you're saying that the sentence "[I]f it's what you say
> I love it especially later in the summer." is not evidence of solicitation.
> You think this sentence is materially different from Donald Trump Jr. being
> in a room with Russian government / intelligence officials and directly
> asking them to hack Democratic Party officials, staff etc. and release
> damaging emails or information? If so, why?
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Steve Klein <stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I was counting the minutes until some ideologue would spout some
>>> libertarian tripe about the First Amendment.
>>
>>
>> Slow day?
>>
>>
>>> So its ok for a foreign national to give opposition research to your
>>> local school board candidate?
>>
>>
>> As opposed to just dropping it off anonymously at the *New York Times*?
>> If *Bluman* is going to stand for regulating down to the foreign penny
>> of “value,” at least punish the foreign meddlers, not the recipients of the
>> information. Really creeping toward “the press is an entity, and an
>> exception,” here. No, and no.
>>
>> How about a five figure check?
>>>
>>
>> No. At least that’s quantifiable and understandable and, thus, reasonably
>> regulable. (If silly as a matter of public policy given disclosure is so
>> important.)
>>
>>
>>> We’ve seen this movie before.
>>>
>>
>>  Yeah, and it’s finally been dethroned
>> <http://caselaw.findlaw.com/wi-supreme-court/1708047.html> as the most
>> careless campaign finance saga.
>>
>> Remember Citizen Gene, the Ambassador from the Revolutionary French
>>> Government, and the 30,000 French emigres in Philadelphia threatening to
>>> overthrow the Washington Administration over the Jay Treaty?
>>
>>
>> Somehow, the republic endured. I imagine the diversity of journalism in
>> the city at the time helped.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:00 PM, John Farrell <
>> jfarrell at mccandlishlawyers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No more phone calls, please, we have a winner.
>>>
>>> I was counting the minutes until some ideologue would spout some
>>> libertarian tripe about the First Amendment.
>>>
>>> So its ok for a foreign national to give opposition research to your
>>> local school board candidate? How about a five figure check?
>>>
>>> We’ve seen this movie before.
>>>
>>> Remember Citizen Gene, the Ambassador from the Revolutionary French
>>> Government, and the 30,000 French emigres in Philadelphia threatening to
>>> overthrow the Washington Administration over the Jay Treaty?
>>>
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>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Steve Klein <stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How does a legal theory that could penalize simply taking a meeting with
>>> a foreign national--implicating the First Amendment in a number of
>>> ways--overcome vagueness, overbreadth, and basic tailoring analysis?
>>>
>>> https://pillaroflaw.org/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-and-the-c
>>> ensorship-of-meetings/
>>>
>>> It doesn’t.
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