[EL] A Russian walks into a meeting bearing info

Tue Jul 11 11:45:07 PDT 2017

That is a really sorry response, but I'll assume you're fighting on
principle and would've gone to bat for Chelsea Clinton's First Amendment
rights had she said the same in the course of "taking a meeting" with an
intermediary for the Chinese government in hopes they'd have - as promised
- some dirt on Trump. Have a good one.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Steve Klein <stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com>
wrote:

> [Y]ou're saying that the sentence "[I]f it's what you say I love it
>> especially later in the summer." is not evidence of solicitation. You think
>> this sentence is materially different from Donald Trump Jr. being in a room
>> with Russian government / intelligence officials and directly asking them
>> to hack Democratic Party officials, staff etc. and release damaging emails
>> or information? If so, why?
>
>
> Perhaps because I am not in tune with the school of “winks and nods,” I
> believe the distinction is self evident.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Jon Sherman <jsherman@
> fairelectionsnetwork.com> wrote:
>
>> I understand you think there are First Amendment problems with the ban's
>> application here to an American citizen, but on the evidence, i.e. whether
>> or not it applies, you're saying that the sentence "[I]f it's what you say
>> I love it especially later in the summer." is not evidence of solicitation.
>> You think this sentence is materially different from Donald Trump Jr. being
>> in a room with Russian government / intelligence officials and directly
>> asking them to hack Democratic Party officials, staff etc. and release
>> damaging emails or information? If so, why?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Steve Klein <stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I was counting the minutes until some ideologue would spout some
>>>> libertarian tripe about the First Amendment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Slow day?
>>>
>>>
>>>> So its ok for a foreign national to give opposition research to your
>>>> local school board candidate?
>>>
>>>
>>> As opposed to just dropping it off anonymously at the *New York Times*?
>>> If *Bluman* is going to stand for regulating down to the foreign penny
>>> of “value,” at least punish the foreign meddlers, not the recipients of the
>>> information. Really creeping toward “the press is an entity, and an
>>> exception,” here. No, and no.
>>>
>>> How about a five figure check?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No. At least that’s quantifiable and understandable and, thus,
>>> reasonably regulable. (If silly as a matter of public policy given
>>> disclosure is so important.)
>>>
>>>
>>>> We’ve seen this movie before.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Yeah, and it’s finally been dethroned
>>> <http://caselaw.findlaw.com/wi-supreme-court/1708047.html> as the most
>>> careless campaign finance saga.
>>>
>>> Remember Citizen Gene, the Ambassador from the Revolutionary French
>>>> Government, and the 30,000 French emigres in Philadelphia threatening to
>>>> overthrow the Washington Administration over the Jay Treaty?
>>>
>>>
>>> Somehow, the republic endured. I imagine the diversity of journalism in
>>> the city at the time helped.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:00 PM, John Farrell <
>>> jfarrell at mccandlishlawyers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No more phone calls, please, we have a winner.
>>>>
>>>> I was counting the minutes until some ideologue would spout some
>>>> libertarian tripe about the First Amendment.
>>>>
>>>> So its ok for a foreign national to give opposition research to your
>>>> local school board candidate? How about a five figure check?
>>>>
>>>> We’ve seen this movie before.
>>>>
>>>> Remember Citizen Gene, the Ambassador from the Revolutionary French
>>>> Government, and the 30,000 French emigres in Philadelphia threatening to
>>>> overthrow the Washington Administration over the Jay Treaty?
>>>>
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>>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Steve Klein <stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How does a legal theory that could penalize simply taking a meeting
>>>> with a foreign national--implicating the First Amendment in a number of
>>>> ways--overcome vagueness, overbreadth, and basic tailoring analysis?
>>>>
>>>> https://pillaroflaw.org/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-and-the-c
>>>> ensorship-of-meetings/
>>>>
>>>> It doesn’t.
>>>>
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