[EL] A Russian walks into a meeting bearing info

Tue Jul 11 11:47:59 PDT 2017

I appreciate your assumption. I believe my record of protecting anyone from
overbroad legal theories is consistent. *See, e.g.*,
https://pillaroflaw.org/2015/08/10/blagojevich-appeal-reflects-the-right-limits-on-prosecution/

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Jon Sherman <
jsherman at fairelectionsnetwork.com> wrote:

> That is a really sorry response, but I'll assume you're fighting on
> principle and would've gone to bat for Chelsea Clinton's First Amendment
> rights had she said the same in the course of "taking a meeting" with an
> intermediary for the Chinese government in hopes they'd have - as promised
> - some dirt on Trump. Have a good one.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Steve Klein <stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> [Y]ou're saying that the sentence "[I]f it's what you say I love it
>>> especially later in the summer." is not evidence of solicitation. You think
>>> this sentence is materially different from Donald Trump Jr. being in a room
>>> with Russian government / intelligence officials and directly asking them
>>> to hack Democratic Party officials, staff etc. and release damaging emails
>>> or information? If so, why?
>>
>>
>> Perhaps because I am not in tune with the school of “winks and nods,” I
>> believe the distinction is self evident.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Jon Sherman <
>> jsherman at fairelectionsnetwork.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand you think there are First Amendment problems with the ban's
>>> application here to an American citizen, but on the evidence, i.e. whether
>>> or not it applies, you're saying that the sentence "[I]f it's what you say
>>> I love it especially later in the summer." is not evidence of solicitation.
>>> You think this sentence is materially different from Donald Trump Jr. being
>>> in a room with Russian government / intelligence officials and directly
>>> asking them to hack Democratic Party officials, staff etc. and release
>>> damaging emails or information? If so, why?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Steve Klein <
>>> stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was counting the minutes until some ideologue would spout some
>>>>> libertarian tripe about the First Amendment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Slow day?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So its ok for a foreign national to give opposition research to your
>>>>> local school board candidate?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As opposed to just dropping it off anonymously at the *New York Times*?
>>>> If *Bluman* is going to stand for regulating down to the foreign penny
>>>> of “value,” at least punish the foreign meddlers, not the recipients of the
>>>> information. Really creeping toward “the press is an entity, and an
>>>> exception,” here. No, and no.
>>>>
>>>> How about a five figure check?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. At least that’s quantifiable and understandable and, thus,
>>>> reasonably regulable. (If silly as a matter of public policy given
>>>> disclosure is so important.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We’ve seen this movie before.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Yeah, and it’s finally been dethroned
>>>> <http://caselaw.findlaw.com/wi-supreme-court/1708047.html> as the most
>>>> careless campaign finance saga.
>>>>
>>>> Remember Citizen Gene, the Ambassador from the Revolutionary French
>>>>> Government, and the 30,000 French emigres in Philadelphia threatening to
>>>>> overthrow the Washington Administration over the Jay Treaty?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Somehow, the republic endured. I imagine the diversity of journalism in
>>>> the city at the time helped.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:00 PM, John Farrell <
>>>> jfarrell at mccandlishlawyers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No more phone calls, please, we have a winner.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was counting the minutes until some ideologue would spout some
>>>>> libertarian tripe about the First Amendment.
>>>>>
>>>>> So its ok for a foreign national to give opposition research to your
>>>>> local school board candidate? How about a five figure check?
>>>>>
>>>>> We’ve seen this movie before.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember Citizen Gene, the Ambassador from the Revolutionary French
>>>>> Government, and the 30,000 French emigres in Philadelphia threatening to
>>>>> overthrow the Washington Administration over the Jay Treaty?
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Steve Klein <stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How does a legal theory that could penalize simply taking a meeting
>>>>> with a foreign national--implicating the First Amendment in a number of
>>>>> ways--overcome vagueness, overbreadth, and basic tailoring analysis?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pillaroflaw.org/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-and-the-c
>>>>> ensorship-of-meetings/
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn’t.
>>>>>
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>>
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>
>
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