[EL] Mailing from your own mailbox

Sat Aug 15 18:53:40 PDT 2020

If anyone on this list wants to conduct an experiment with mailing letters to each other to test the delays, I’m game. The only thing the letter has to say is “I sent this on x date from x location.”
I’m in Florida.
Ciao,
Ciara

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On Aug 15, 2020, at 9:47 PM, J.H. Snider <snider at isolon.org> wrote:

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If anyone wants good data on mail delivery problems rather than anecdotes, a good source might be Amazon, Walmart, or another major e-commerce player. The data would be imperfect for a variety or reasons, such as the difference between shipping one-off bulky products vs. mass paper ballots and the differential theft problem for porch vs. mailbox delivered products.  But if the data could be restricted to small products delivered directly to a local post office and then to a regular residential mailbox, the data might be usable.

I have no idea whether anyone could get a major e-commerce player to share this information.  But it seems to me that such a player would have unusually good information because Amazon recipients, say, generally know within a few days when they are supposed to receive a product they purchased and have a high likelihood of complaining when they don’t receive the product. Perhaps an e-commerce trade association already collects relevant USPS delivery data and shares it with USPS.  As for me, I rarely receive misdelivered products but often get misdelivered bills and other mass mailings—usually for recipients on the same route as my mail carrier.

As for explaining Susan’s black box mail delivery delay, one possibility is that someone like me might have received her mail, kept it lying around, and then handed it of to my local delivery postman when it was convenient for me.

J.H. Snider, Editor
The Iowa State Constitutional Convention Clearinghouse<http://iowaconcon2020.info/> and
The State Constitutional Convention Clearinghouse<https://concon.info/>

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Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2020 6:28 PM
To: Susan Lerner <slerner at commoncause.org>
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Subject: Re: [EL] Mailing from your own mailbox

For what it's worth, the mail today arrived about 5:30 pm on a Saturday. The harried carrier, new to me and clearly doing a process that was new to him, said no mail was attempted to be delivered to our neighborhood  yesterday -- first time I think that's happened here in our suburban Maryland home outside of heavy snow days.

My wife and I still haven't gotten our stimulus payments four months after many people did.

Not a great testament to government investing in execution of basic functions, although I recognize the challenges of a global pandemic.
Rob

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 4:21 PM Susan Lerner <slerner at commoncause.org<mailto:slerner at commoncause.org>> wrote:
Thanks, Richard.Ididnotdepositthe letter in a collection box, but rather in my residence mailbox.

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Sent: August 15, 2020 3:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [EL] Mailing from your own mailbox

Thank you for this message.

My vocabulary point here is extremely miniscule, but the best term for the boxes in which people leave postal mail is "collection box."

Richard Winger 415-922-9779 PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 12:22:21 PM PDT, Susan Lerner <slerner at commoncause.org<mailto:slerner at commoncause.org>> wrote:

In July, I wrote an actual, physical letter to my granddaughter, who lives about 3 miles away, further south in Brooklyn.  I placed it, fully addressed and stamped, in my mailbox for pick up. 3 weeks later, she received it.  So, I guess it was good that it got picked up, but handling left a lot to be desired.

Susan Lerner
Common Cause/NY

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