[EL] “New York Mayor’s Race in Chaos After Elections Board Counts 135,000 Test Ballots”
Edward Still
still at votelaw.com
Wed Jun 30 11:32:58 PDT 2021
Following up on Michael Parsons' post, Cambridge, Mass, and Ireland use the
"report at each stage" method. I once watched some of the Cambridge count
from a balcony in (I think) a high school basketball court. As each round
of counting was completed, the numbers were announced and a buzz went up in
the audience about the possible results of the next round.
Edward Still
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 1:25 PM <sean at impactpolicymanagement.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the explanation!
>
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> Sean
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> *From:* Michael Parsons <michael at parsons.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 30, 2021 1:01 PM
> *To:* sean at impactpolicymanagement.com
> *Cc:* Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu>; Election Law Listserv <
> law-election at uci.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] “New York Mayor’s Race in Chaos After Elections Board
> Counts 135,000 Test Ballots”
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> There are two schools of thought on when/how to release RCV tabulation
> information: (1) hold all ranking info until every last ballot is counted
> (including cured absentees), or (2) release ranking info as ballots are
> received/counted by the central office, with preliminary results released
> on election night and with rolling updates following every day thereafter
> until all ballots have been counted.
>
>
>
> There are merits to both approaches – unfortunately NYC took a middle road
> that is arguably a "worst of both worlds" approach by holding ranking info
> on the in-person votes for a week, then releasing it all at once but
> without absentees included.
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> The benefits of holding until all votes are counted is that it avoids any
> confusion re shifting leaders as new ballots alter the order of
> elimination, and the final results are simply the final results. That
> said, many jurisdictions eventually opt for the second approach (which is
> preferable, in my view): releasing updated results as they come in and are
> counted. Because the results are being constantly updated, the media and
> the public can settle into a rhythm and better understand that these are
> the "with X% reporting" results, that the ballots are still being counted,
> and that the "leader(s)" can change until the count is complete. (It's
> also helpful if the media emphasizes that the "top contenders" can change
> as the ballots are counted rather than declaring that "X has been
> eliminated" or saying that "it's down to a race between Y & Z" since that
> can change.)
>
>
>
> Rolling updates can also provide a number of other benefits: no
> premature/runaway narratives developing re "who likely won" based on 1st
> choices alone; no conspiracies re "why the wait" (since many voters have
> come to expect from prior experience that at least some initial #s should
> start coming in on election night); allows for a longer/more inclusive
> absentee grace period and cure period w/o causing all results to be on hold
> in the interim; and voters/media get transparency into the process. (That
> transparency would have been helpful in NYC, for example: it's harder to
> overlook 135k test ballots when you're preparing your first election-night
> batch – and the public would've caught the problem earlier in the process
> either way).
>
>
>
> All that said, there are good reasons to want to hold off on running
> tentative elimination rounds until all the absentees are in and cured. And
> there are a lot of good reasons to provide rolling updates. Unfortunately,
> the approach NYC took offers none of the benefits of either method.
>
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> Mike Parsons
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> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 12:17 PM <sean at impactpolicymanagement.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody know WHY the NYC BOE decided to release preliminary results
> before they had received and tabulated all of the absentee ballots (plus
> finished the cure process)? Why would they do it in an RCV election given
> that the elimination process could look very different once those ballots
> are received?
>
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>
> Sean Parnell
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> *From:* Law-election <law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Rick Hasen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 30, 2021 11:35 AM
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> with new contributors, a broader diversity of voices, ELB Book Corner, and
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>
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> “Conservatives push voter fraud claims as they recruit volunteers to
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>
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>
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> reading
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> want to change it?”
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> New Weigel.
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>
>
> “New York Mayor’s Race in Chaos After Elections Board Counts 135,000 Test
> Ballots”
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/r3.asp?l=179210439&f=1116553&c=7776573&u=102231511>
>
> *By Rick Hasen, June 30, 2021*
>
> NYT:
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> The New York City mayor’s race plunged into chaos on Tuesday night when the
> city Board of Elections released a new tally of votes in the Democratic
> mayoral primary
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> and then removed the tabulations from its website after… Continue reading
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>
>
> “‘Election Subversion’ is Voter Suppression 2.0”
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/r3.asp?l=179210443&f=1116553&c=7776573&u=102231511>
>
> *By Rick Hasen, June 29, 2021*
>
> John Avlon
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> CNN: “Election subversion” — or efforts underway to contest legitimate
> elections — “is part of a sinister state-by-state effort by Trumpists to
> grab power by any means necessary,” @JohnAvlon
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> Continue reading
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>
>
> “Arizona ballot audit shows signs of backfiring on GOP”
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/r3.asp?l=179210445&f=1116553&c=7776573&u=102231511>
>
> *By Rick Hasen, June 29, 2021*
>
> Marc Caputo
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/t3.asp?/1116553/102231511/7776573_/~www.politico.com/news/2021/06/29/arizona-ballot-audit-gop-biden-496908?nname=playbook-pm&nid=0000015a-dd3e-d536-a37b-dd7fd8af0000&nrid=0000014e-f109-dd93-ad7f-f90d0def0000&nlid=964328>
> for Politico: When Arizona Republicans first pushed for a partisan audit of
> the 2020 presidential ballots cast in the Phoenix metropolitan area, they
> argued that they needed to know if any irregularities or fraud caused
> President Trump to… Continue reading
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/t3.asp?/1116553/102231511/7776573_/~electionlawblog.org/?p=122911>
>
>
> If CJ Roberts Has the Opinion in Americans for Prosperity v. Bonta, Will
> He Pull the Same Switcheroo on Exacting Scrutiny as He Did in McCutcheon?
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/r3.asp?l=179210447&f=1116553&c=7776573&u=102231511>
>
> *By Rick Hasen, June 29, 2021*
>
> Some reading the tea leaves believe Chief Justice Roberts has the Court’s
> opinion in AFP v. Bonta, on donor disclosure. I’m interested in the case
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> disclosure laws, even though AFP… Continue reading
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>
>
> Walter Olson at Cato: “Congress Should Clarify The Electoral Count Act Of
> 1887”
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/r3.asp?l=179210449&f=1116553&c=7776573&u=102231511>
>
> *By Rick Hasen, June 29, 2021*
>
> Maybe some space
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/t3.asp?/1116553/102231511/7776573_/~www.cato.org/blog/congress-should-clarify-electoral-count-act>
> for bipartisan work here.
>
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> “Pennsylvania Republicans Look To Evade A Veto And Enact Voter ID By
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>
> *By Rick Hasen, June 29, 2021*
>
> NPR reports.
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/t3.asp?/1116553/102231511/7776573_/~www.npr.org/2021/06/29/1011056576/pennsylvania-republicans-look-to-evade-a-veto-and-enact-voter-id-by-ballot-measu>
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> ELB Downtime Today—to Be Ready for July 1
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>
> *By Rick Hasen, June 29, 2021*
>
> We were planning on switching over to the new Election Law Blog theme on
> the night of June 30/morning of July 1, but with the big election
> law-related opinions coming July 1, we are doing the transition today. So
> the… Continue reading
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>
>
> “Threats Against Election Officials Are a Threat to Democracy”
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/r3.asp?l=179210457&f=1116553&c=7776573&u=102231511>
>
> *By Rick Hasen, June 29, 2021*
>
> Sue Halpern in The New Yorker.
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/t3.asp?/1116553/102231511/7776573_/~www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/threats-against-election-officials-are-a-threat-to-democracy>
>
>
> The draft Colorado legislative maps
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>
> *By Nicholas Stephanopoulos, June 29, 2021*
>
> Colorado’s independent commission just made public
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> its draft state legislative maps. PlanScore’s analyses of the maps are
> below. They’re both impressively
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> balanced
> <https://p.feedblitz.com/t3.asp?/1116553/102231511/7776573_/~planscore.org/plan.html?20210629T145012.202253736Z>
> based on every measure of partisan fairness.
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