[EL] FW: Election Law Blog: ELB News and Commentary
Rob Richie
rr at fairvote.org
Sun Apr 24 10:06:30 PDT 2022
Addressing Eitan’s concern, ranked choice voting (RCV) has a rich and deep
history of use in elections without guiding party labels – even if those
labels can help guide voter behavior. Just a few examples:
* More than 50 American cities
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.fairvote.org/rcv*where_is_ranked_choice_voting_used__;Iw!!CzAuKJ42GuquVTTmVmPViYEvSg!Jq7wISmtDnqcOKN21bn_l2bqnbEJ8u1jwx15AND-T1uoOVEWraQQY6OUXDROGtDR78i0GyvVNCxfOVE$ >used it in
nonpartisan elections or primary elections in their most recent contests,
producing a rich set of data
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.fairvote.org/data_on_rcv*research_snapshot__;Iw!!CzAuKJ42GuquVTTmVmPViYEvSg!Jq7wISmtDnqcOKN21bn_l2bqnbEJ8u1jwx15AND-T1uoOVEWraQQY6OUXDROGtDR78i0GyvVz5bID80$ >. You can see our
deep dive into New York City's 2021 primary elections
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.fairvote.org/ranked_choice_voting_nyc_report__;!!CzAuKJ42GuquVTTmVmPViYEvSg!Jq7wISmtDnqcOKN21bn_l2bqnbEJ8u1jwx15AND-T1uoOVEWraQQY6OUXDROGtDR78i0GyvV4oRR7O0$ >, our research on RCV
and BIPOC voters and candidates
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.fairvote.org/report_rcv_benefits_candidates_and_voters_of_color__;!!CzAuKJ42GuquVTTmVmPViYEvSg!Jq7wISmtDnqcOKN21bn_l2bqnbEJ8u1jwx15AND-T1uoOVEWraQQY6OUXDROGtDR78i0GyvViI8OXYQ$ >,
and our periodically updated research primer.
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*RCV is recommended by several parliamentary guides for non-governmental
organizations, including Robert's Rules of Order,
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.fairvote.org/rcv_and_robert_s_rules_of_order__;!!CzAuKJ42GuquVTTmVmPViYEvSg!Jq7wISmtDnqcOKN21bn_l2bqnbEJ8u1jwx15AND-T1uoOVEWraQQY6OUXDROGtDR78i0GyvVkXkYMx0$ >and is used
in hundreds
of such NGO elections
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as a matter of course – nearly 100 American colleges and universities
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.fairvote.org/rcv_in_campus_elections__;!!CzAuKJ42GuquVTTmVmPViYEvSg!Jq7wISmtDnqcOKN21bn_l2bqnbEJ8u1jwx15AND-T1uoOVEWraQQY6OUXDROGtDR78i0GyvV0BeBpew$ > now use RCV to elect
their student leaders, underscoring how young people gravitate to RCV and
likely telegraph its future in the US
* A lot of major party elections and secondary elections are held with RCV.
Among examples:
- All five national parties in Canada
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choose to elect their leaders with a ranked choice ballot, including the
Conservative Party of Canada in its current leadership elections.
- Most British and New Zealand party leader elections
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.fairvote.org/the-most-obvious-option-ranked-choice-voting__;!!CzAuKJ42GuquVTTmVmPViYEvSg!Jq7wISmtDnqcOKN21bn_l2bqnbEJ8u1jwx15AND-T1uoOVEWraQQY6OUXDROGtDR78i0GyvVewri3ng$ >use
RCV, including nearly all party offices and leadership posts for the Labor
Party
- In the United States, Republicans in 2020 used RCV
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for major nomination and/or party office elections at their statewide
conventions in Virginia, Utah and Indiana -- including some contests that
changed first-round outcomes in Indiana and Virginia - and Virginia
Republicans used RCV again in 2021 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.fairvote.org/va_gop_results__;!!CzAuKJ42GuquVTTmVmPViYEvSg!Jq7wISmtDnqcOKN21bn_l2bqnbEJ8u1jwx15AND-T1uoOVEWraQQY6OUXDROGtDR78i0GyvVdEfj_L4$ >
to nominate their statewide ticket led by Glen Youngkin in a 7-candidate
race
- All Democratic voters in four presidential primaries
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cast RCV ballots in 2020, with more than 99% casting valid ballots and 90%
of acres of withdrawn candidates having their ballot count in the final
round for an active candidate – as opposed to more than three million
voters in non-RCV primaries whose ballot counted for a candidate who had
already withdrawn by the time the ballot was counted
As to Rob Kellner's concern, I give respondents the same credit I give them
when they are asked to opine and vote on any number of things. Voters may
be imperfect and frequently have to act on incomplete information, but I
respect their voice a great deal
Thanks,
Rob Richie, FairVote
On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 10:49 AM Hersh, Eitan D <Eitan.Hersh at tufts.edu>
wrote:
> Much of the debate about ranked choice voting depends on what kind of
> election we’re talking about. The survey mainly has in mind federal general
> elections. It’s easier for voters to understand ranking in that setting
> because of party labels.
>
> Where ranked choice voting gets complicated, and controversial, and where
> other countries’ experiences are less relevant, are when RCV is applied to
> primary elections and non-partisan local elections. In those settings,
> voters are asked to rank a bunch of (often unfamiliar) names without the
> benefit to party labels. The critiques of rcv are much more salient in
> those settings.
>
> Rob, in general, I think your concern makes a lot of sense and it isn't
> well captured by the survey method here.
>
> Eitan Hersh
>
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> *From:* Law-election <law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu> on
> behalf of Douglas Carver <dhmcarver at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:40:44 AM
> *To:* Kelner, Robert <rkelner at cov.com>
> *Cc:* law-election at uci.edu <law-election at uci.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] FW: Election Law Blog: ELB News and Commentary
>
> For seven years I lived in a country that used ranked choice voting, and
> everyone understood it and its implications, without being "math whizzes or
> quantitative political scientists" I think people in the US, also without
> being math whizzes of quantitative political scientists, are waking up to
> the fact that our electoral system continually puts in power people who
> represent a minority of the public and that change is needed.
>
> Douglas Carver
> Albuquerque, NM
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 6:24 PM Kelner, Robert <rkelner at cov.com> wrote:
>
> Regarding the University of Maryland survey on ranked choice voting
> described in the article below, while they made a valiant effort to explain
> it to survey respondents and to summarize arguments for and against, one of
> the arguments against ranked choice voting is that very few people who are
> not math whizzes of quantitative political scientists fully understand it
> and its implications. I seriously doubt that most of the survey respondents
> could pass a pop quiz on how ranked choice voting works in practice. I know
> I couldn’t….
>
> Rob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:
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> WaPo: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, testifying Friday about her alleged
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> for NPR: Michigan Republicans will meet this weekend to decide which
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> casting ballots known as ranked-choice voting for federal elections,
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