[EL] Oregon SoS Demands that Postal Service Stop Delivering Ballots with Insufficient Postage?

[Doug Hess]

I wonder what other states do? And do all post offices deliver the ballots
anyway? Or do they do it only if postage is paid by the recipient or do
they return to sender? I.e., do postal clerks know what the Post Master
General says is their policy?

Doug

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com>wrote:

> So, it appears there is a Bush v Gore problem in Oregon.  In November
> 2008, Obama received 76.7% of the vote in Multnomah County and John McCain
> only received 20.6%.  If other counties are treating postage due ballots
> differently,...
>
> Richard Winger
> 415-922-9779
> PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
>
> --- On *Sat, 11/3/12, Salvador Peralta <oregon.properties at yahoo.com>*wrote:
>
>
> From: Salvador Peralta <oregon.properties at yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [EL] Oregon SoS Demands that Postal Service Stop Delivering
> Ballots with Insufficient Postage?
> To: "Scarberry, Mark" <Mark.Scarberry at pepperdine.edu>, "Doug Hess" <
> douglasrhess at gmail.com>, "Dan Meek" <dan at meek.net>
> Cc: "Election Law" <Law-election at department-lists.uci.edu>
> Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 4:10 PM
>
>
> The Oregonian's most recent coverage notes that:
>
> "Tim Scott, the Multnomah County elections director, said his county has
> long refused to accept ballots that didn't have enough postage.  It's
> inconsistent with state law and gives voters a mixed message about whether
> they should put postage on their return ballots."
>
>
> http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2012/11/charges_fly_in_oregon_secretar.html
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* "Scarberry, Mark" <Mark.Scarberry at pepperdine.edu>
> *To:* Doug Hess <douglasrhess at gmail.com>; Dan Meek <dan at meek.net>
> *Cc:* Election Law <Law-election at department-lists.uci.edu>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Oregon SoS Demands that Postal Service Stop
> Delivering Ballots with Insufficient Postage?
>
> If a ballot envelope comes in postage due, then the clerk may need to pay
> the postage in order actually to receive the envelope from the postal
> worker. I haven’t gotten anything postage due in quite a while, but I don’t
> think you can just take the letter or package and then refuse to pay the
> postage due amount. It may not be a matter of the clerk refusing to receive
> the ballot but instead of the postal worker refusing to deliver it.
>
> *From:* law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:
> law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] *On Behalf Of *Doug Hess
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 03, 2012 3:22 PM
> *To:* Dan Meek
> *Cc:* Election Law
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Oregon SoS Demands that Postal Service Stop
> Delivering Ballots with Insufficient Postage?
>
> "Not accepting" as in refusing to receive them, however that is done, or
> as in destroying or tossing them? Or "not accepting" to mean they accept
> them but plan to not count them?
>
> Douglas R. Hess, PhD
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Dan Meek <dan at meek.net<http://mc/compose?to=dan@meek.net>>
> wrote:
> We know that some county clerks are currently not accepting the ballots
> postage due.
> Dan Meek
> 503-293-9021
> dan at meek.net <http://mc/compose?to=dan@meek.net>
> 866-926-9646 fax
>
> On 11/3/2012 12:50 PM, Doug Hess wrote:
> In the letter on this issue the Post Master General (should we call him
> General, too?) points out that the state doesn't have to accept or count
> ballots arriving without sufficient postage (see second to last paragraph
> in letter in link below).
>
> Not sure why he felt that was an area he needs to opine on! But it does
> raise the possibility that some county clerks, or whomever, won't count
> these ballots, now that they know that the USP will keep delivering them.
> Anybody sense a county might do that?
>
> Where's Paul Gronke when you need him?
>
> http://indparty.com/postmaster.pdf
>
> Douglas R. Hess, PhD
> Washington, DC
> ph. 202-277-6400
> douglasrhess at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=douglasrhess@gmail.com>
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