[EL] Stamping on Bush v. Gore

Sat Nov 3 16:32:47 PDT 2012

bush v. gore? never heard of it...

in florida, several county supervisors of elections sent out pre-paid 
return envelopes for absentee ballots requests; others did not.

i have not heard of any SOEs refusing absentee ballots they happen to 
receive without postage, though it's certainly possible that some may be.

more here:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/florida-voters-facing-a-long-long-ballot-in-november/1250664

daniel a. smith, ph.d.
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So, it appears there is a Bush v Gore problem in Oregon.  In November 
2008, Obama received 76.7% of the vote in Multnomah County and John 
McCain only received 20.6%.  If other counties are treating postage due 
ballots differently,...

Richard Winger
415-922-9779
PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

--- On *Sat, 11/3/12, Salvador Peralta /<oregon.properties at yahoo.com>/* 
wrote:

    From: Salvador Peralta <oregon.properties at yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: [EL] Oregon SoS Demands that Postal Service Stop
    Delivering Ballots with Insufficient Postage?
    To: "Scarberry, Mark" <Mark.Scarberry at pepperdine.edu>, "Doug Hess"
    <douglasrhess at gmail.com>, "Dan Meek" <dan at meek.net>
    Cc: "Election Law" <Law-election at department-lists.uci.edu>
    Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 4:10 PM

    The Oregonian's most recent coverage notes that:

    "Tim Scott, the Multnomah County elections director, said his county
    has long refused to accept ballots that didn't have enough postage. 
    It's inconsistent with state law and gives voters a mixed message
    about whether they should put postage on their return ballots."

    http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2012/11/charges_fly_in_oregon_secretar.html

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    *From:* "Scarberry, Mark" <Mark.Scarberry at pepperdine.edu>
    *To:* Doug Hess <douglasrhess at gmail.com>; Dan Meek <dan at meek.net>
    *Cc:* Election Law <Law-election at department-lists.uci.edu>
    *Sent:* Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:35 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [EL] Oregon SoS Demands that Postal Service Stop
    Delivering Ballots with Insufficient Postage?

    If a ballot envelope comes in postage due, then the clerk may need
    to pay the postage in order actually to receive the envelope from
    the postal worker. I haven't gotten anything postage due in quite a
    while, but I don't think you can just take the letter or package and
    then refuse to pay the postage due amount. It may not be a matter of
    the clerk refusing to receive the ballot but instead of the postal
    worker refusing to deliver it.
    *From:*law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
    [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] *On Behalf Of
    *Doug Hess
    *Sent:* Saturday, November 03, 2012 3:22 PM
    *To:* Dan Meek
    *Cc:* Election Law
    *Subject:* Re: [EL] Oregon SoS Demands that Postal Service Stop
    Delivering Ballots with Insufficient Postage?
    "Not accepting" as in refusing to receive them, however that is
    done, or as in destroying or tossing them? Or "not accepting" to
    mean they accept them but plan to not count them?

    Douglas R. Hess, PhD

    On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Dan Meek <dan at meek.net
    </mc/compose?to=dan at meek.net>> wrote:
    We know that some county clerks are currently not accepting the
    ballots postage due.
    Dan Meek

    503-293-9021

    dan at meek.net </mc/compose?to=dan at meek.net>

    866-926-9646 fax

    On 11/3/2012 12:50 PM, Doug Hess wrote:
    In the letter on this issue the Post Master General (should we call
    him General, too?) points out that the state doesn't have to accept
    or count ballots arriving without sufficient postage (see second to
    last paragraph in letter in link below).
    Not sure why he felt that was an area he needs to opine on! But it
    does raise the possibility that some county clerks, or whomever,
    won't count these ballots, now that they know that the USP will keep
    delivering them. Anybody sense a county might do that?
    Where's Paul Gronke when you need him?
    http://indparty.com/postmaster.pdf

    Douglas R. Hess, PhD
    Washington, DC
    ph. 202-277-6400
    douglasrhess at gmail.com </mc/compose?to=douglasrhess at gmail.com>

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