[EL] race

Sun Jan 10 17:51:44 PST 2016

Cycling back to my question about Cruz, I wanted to share this from Dylan Matthews at Vox. While I would never vote for Cruz, I do think the whole idea that anyone’s birthplace is a disqualification bothers me. I remember the Republicans kicking this idea around after Gray Davis was recalled. Is the idea completely dead now? 

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/10/10738800/natural-born-citizen <http://www.vox.com/2016/1/10/10738800/natural-born-citizen>

It is absolutely scandalous and ridiculous that American immigrants can't become president

I don't care if Ted Cruz is a natural-born citizen, and neither should you.

Nor, more pertinently, should Nancy Pelosi <http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/nancy-pelosi-ted-cruz-birthplace/>, Josh Earnest <http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-01-06/earnest-would-be-ironic-if-gop-picks-canadian-born-cruz>, John McCain <http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/john-mccain-i-dont-know-if-cruz-is-eligible-for-presidency-w#.up75eYE4g>, Donald Trump <http://www.vox.com/2016/1/7/10730150/ted-cruz-citizenship-mccain-trump>, or any number of other public figures who've decided to make an issue out of the fact that Ted Cruz — the son of an American citizen and as such almost certainly a natural-born citizen <http://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8275573/ted-cruz-canada> — was born in Canada. They all have their own motivations. For Democrats like Pelosi and Earnest, it's a chance for revenge after years of birtherism targeting Barack Obama. For McCain, it's a chance to elbow a super-annoying Senate colleague, and for Trump it's just brilliant campaigning <http://www.vox.com/2016/1/7/10730150/ted-cruz-citizenship-mccain-trump>.

But birtherism conversations usually leave unquestioned the premise that not being a natural-born citizen should disqualify someone from the presidency. Sure, it's a constitutional requirement. But the Constitution is a decrepit 229-year-old political compromise that can and should be changed, and the natural-born citizen requirement is among its stupider provisions.

and it continues…..

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Craig Holman <holman at aol.com> wrote:
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> In response to Ruthalice's question, the answer is not so justifiably complicated as Ilya attempts to suggest. The answer is simple, and lacks justification -- as I suspect Ruthalice understood when she asked the rhetorical question.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilya Shapiro <IShapiro at cato.org>
> To: RuthAlice Anderson <ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net>
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> Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 07:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [EL] ELB News and Commentary 1/7/16
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> This is actually a fairly technical question of statutory law. Where Obama was born (Hawaii) matters because his mom was so young when she had him. I published this oped in the Daily Caller (fertile territory for Trumpistas, I'm told) two years ago:
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> http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/yes-ted-cruz-can-be-president <http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/yes-ted-cruz-can-be-president>
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> On Jan 7, 2016, at 6:55 PM, RuthAlice Anderson <ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net <mailto:ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net>> wrote:
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> Regarding Muller’s article on Cruz’s eligibility, while I personally believe he is eligible and would be happy to have an amendment allowing naturalized citizens such as Arnold Schwartzeneggar also be allowed to run (as was once a popular idea on the right before he lost his luster).
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> I am baffled that so much was made of Obama’s eligibility while so little is made of Cruz’s situation. After all, no one disputes Obama’s mother was an American citizen. Meanwhile, many asserted he was born in Kenya so therefore ineligible, but why would Kenya be more disqualifying than Canada? 
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> The argument defending his eligibility was that he was born in Hawaii, hence all the birth certificate nonsense. 
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> The plurality of opinion at that time seemed to be if Obama were not born in Hawaii, if his birth certificate was fake, then he would be ineligible. That was presented as given in the media. So what has changed in eight years?
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> Derek Muller: Who Decides If Ted Cruz is Eligible to Be President? <http://cp.mcafee.com/d/avndxMOczhJ5xZdd6VEVhvdTdETojjhpsKMrhKMCCyOU-YrhKMCCyOVtYSztxdd5AQsKe6Vk9WJadglrpRU02rJIWY01dF_HLLefZvC7Qn7DA-LsKCC-DNEVpuKZtDG8FHnjlKOVOEuvkzaT0QSyrhhdTVyVEVvv76zBNMQsCXCM0vD_qsGMfQMgfGhU03x9oUsYed7a9I_j1vP_Jelo5O5mUm-wagZroPl-4OVYGjFPtFtW3pJdBdxYS2_id41Fr6wGqnjh0d1kpd40cYNgQgr10Qg2lllvxfoBzh0zwX4n3r9EVd-lt8tdec>
> Posted on January 7, 2016 10:27 am <http://cp.mcafee.com/d/FZsSd20O939J5xZdd6VEVhvdTdETojjhpsKMrhKMCCyOU-YrhKMCCyOVtYSztxdd5AQsKe6Vk9WJadglrpRU02rJIWY01dF_HLLefZvC7Qn7DA-LsKCC-DNEVpuKZtDG8FHnjlKOVOEuvkzaT0QSCrhhdTVyVEVvv76zBNMQsCXCM0vD_qsGMfQMgfGhU03x9oUsYed7a9I_j1vP_Jelo5O5mUm-wagZroPl-4OVYGjFPtFtW3pJdBdxYS2_id41Fr6wGqnjh0d1kpd40cYNgQgr10Qg2lllvxfoBzh0zwX4n3r9EVdKsSi2-ulTdgr> by Rick Hasen <http://cp.mcafee.com/d/1jWVIg41Aq4zqb3WqqdPhOy-rKrhKMCCyOVtwSztxdd5BNZUSztxdd5BOXVJ6X2qqb9EVssdOEjRqkqwGSPHM04TrpRU02rj_nvusvW_cfEKff9ZuVtddZfzhOOZtWXfkhjmKCHtBPBgY-F6lK1FJASyyrLP5PhO--ed7bzxEVdTdw0_f-QVlwvFwwvkzM072mJP9RysOrfQMnY_XjBm1sxlK5LE2AfmScRvxcKvaAWsTqnuwSrjpjovdwLQzh0qmNEaCBQQg3gl6jh03fckd46Mgd40BllnUjS9oQg8UeN5MSOqejrGx8Eufsyi2M>
> Here’s a deep dive guest post from Derek Muller <http://cp.mcafee.com/d/avndzgQrhovjjhKqeknPtPqdS4QQmnbI6QrI9FEIKfL6QrI9FEIKnvdETojjhpd7bzxKl2uHizk5mStu00CXreL00jqvWXXPz_nVxZ5NVVfHTbFFLFYqemnHLnpWyaqRQRrIKsG7DR8OJMddI6Qkjt-oKqenTNNEVssd79KVIDeqR4IM_j7buIJYk9g_LgrNTrdDPb5U_jZzoDzKSrfCmMAXJCPVBzAfzVkllrff-9I_j1vP_Jelo5O5mUm-wagZroPl-4OVYGjFPtFtW3pJdBdxYS2_id41Fr6wGqnjh0d1kpd40cYNgQgr10Qg2lllvxfoBzh0zwX4n3r9EVdT85NMth->:
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> Earlier this week <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-cruzs-canadian-birth-could-be-very-precarious-for-gop/2016/01/05/5ce69764-b3f8-11e5-9388-466021d971de_story.html>, Donald Trump suggested that Ted Cruz’s Canadian birthplace could be a problem in the event he became the Republican presidential nominee. He followed that up with a call for Mr. Cruz to seek a declaratory judgment <http://cp.mcafee.com/d/FZsSd2gA86Qm7QQQrCzB5YTsSztxdd5BOX1J6X2qqbbzXNJ6X2qqbbBTPqdS4QQmjhOUUrBgDGQER1lJDnw09KSPHM04SD-K-YU_R-ovhsuujWZOWqrWv6zBBWXRSuEyCJtdmXbDaxVZicHs3jrVJ54TvCbCzBZYsqen73hOrKr01m8kxVyDbV3P5cD5JloLG1ClfEnJ5IkbPGnIvIpeByVel2YdCT7jOV2Io5XiD8k-52sByYE5Xlrzf3p-C2_D_qsGMbAaJMJZ0kxWSNCHY9BPVkDjCXiXQ6Pqrar3VI5-Aq83iSd1kQKCy0q2EOq80pVyxEwS21Ew4GGG_2uNb6y171S8K6SjhOrmKraH-oBsJ9> in court that he is a “natural born Citizen” and eligible to serve as president.
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> There is little dispute on the facts. Mr. Cruz was born to a Cuban father and an American mother in Canada. Aaron Blake at the Washington Post helpfully compiles <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/23/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-ted-cruz-birther-movement/>some of the historical disputes about natural-born citizens, including recent commentary by Neal Katyal and Paul Clement in the Harvard Law Review Forum, On the Meaning of “Natural Born Citizen.” <http://cp.mcafee.com/d/FZsSd6Qm7QQQrCzB5YTsSztxdd5BOX1J6X2qqbbzXNJ6X2qqbbBTPqdS4QQmjhOUUrBgDGQER1lJDnw09KSPHM04SD-K-YU_R-ovhsuujWZOWqrWv6zBBWXRSuEyCJtdmXbDaxVZicHs3jrxJ54TvCbCzBZYsqen73hOrKr01AZypSa1-C8-pBVzw0e9ThvOXelwnCjYKH-MB0ynGWnxISUWun8lz0LqkV2DMMSvFwLV_SDaI2V2Hsbvg58uJIpG_2ps-l9QVKQKZ1ISCOCM-r1vF6y0QJzgldbFEw6wGcCy06uoEq8dwwq81aGGLMDIiNEwhMtybxJAQsCMzOTKqnT>
> This is a dispute on the merits—Mr. Trump now suggesting that Mr. Cruz is not eligible, Mr. Cruz insisting that he is eligible, and a question as to who is right. Consensus suggests Mr. Cruz is eligible, and the consensus offers quite a strong argument, but it is certainly not unanimous.
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> But there is an even deeper question that is often unexamined in this dispute—who gets to decide whether Mr. Cruz is eligible? A court? Professor Dan Tokaji has many thoughts on the most pressing barrier to such challenges, justiciability <http://cp.mcafee.com/d/1jWVIi3wUSyM-CCzsQsELCXCQrI9FEIKnodETojjhpsvudETojjhpsK-rhKMCCyOqen73sG4ZmB6EaJIWY01dSStu00CQ_RTTD7-LP3WbzPOvnKnjjvjUQsILnuKPR4kRHFGTpsVkffGhBrwqr76Qkjt-oKqenTNNEVssd79KVI077RGQBeIiT7WoVJmlyvuwTw2opBVyRoj-4-0gBIpOIvVOdTxPgg15GMDUvcVk-8GX8SvFwLV_SDaI2V2Hsbvg58uJIpG_2ps-l9QVKQKZ1ISCOCM-r1vF6y0QJzgldbFEw6wGcCy06uoEq8dwwq81aGGLMDIiNEwhMtybxJAQsCU6qM40VN>.
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