[EL] FW: Election Law Blog: ELB News and Commentary

Sun Apr 24 10:50:11 PDT 2022

RCV is and always has been about dismantling political parties. It defines the reform agenda in the United States because ’multiparty reform’ cannot go forward, given the prevailing understanding of Duverger’s Law, unless it promises this outcome.

This piece from last summer may be of interest. A key theme is lack of support for the arguably pro-party RCV types that Eitan mentioned. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2021/07/22/ranked-choice-voting-in-new-york-city-will-not-upset-the-two-party-system-but-it-is-raising-questions-about-political-parties/__;!!CzAuKJ42GuquVTTmVmPViYEvSg!NRc6mSyu1yJTffk3ejGtQ0ooN98qoB6IN2zvbRl0Bk5SYaF4B3EkfVzHfr9lC6ExGIgMIVFrjvqSxTWOyHrZvgJ7VXM$ 

There were at least 97 instances of RCV in the US, at the state and local levels, from 1909 onward. One thing I’ve learned by studying them is how ranked ballots and nonpartisan elections were vectors for each other. The following statement by James W. Bucklin (1911) seems instructive. I have seen similar statements in modern times on Reddit. 

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“Such a ballot results practically in an educational qualification for voters, and greatly reduces the number of ignorant
and corrupt votes.”

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> On Apr 24, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Hersh, Eitan D <Eitan.Hersh at tufts.edu> wrote:
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> Much of the debate about ranked choice voting depends on what kind of election we’re talking about. The survey mainly has in mind federal general elections. It’s easier for voters to understand ranking in that setting because of party labels. 
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> Where ranked choice voting gets complicated, and controversial, and where other countries’ experiences are less relevant, are when RCV is applied to primary elections and non-partisan local elections. In those settings, voters are asked to rank a bunch of (often unfamiliar) names without the benefit to party labels. The critiques of rcv are much more salient in those settings. 
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> Rob, in general, I think your concern makes a lot of sense and it isn't well captured by the survey method here. 
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> For seven years I lived in a country that used ranked choice voting, and everyone understood it and its implications, without being "math whizzes or quantitative political scientists" I think people in the US, also without being math whizzes of quantitative political scientists, are waking up to the fact that our electoral system continually puts in power people who represent a minority of the public and that change is needed.
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> On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 6:24 PM Kelner, Robert <rkelner at cov.com> wrote:
> Regarding the University of Maryland survey on ranked choice voting described in the article below, while they made a valiant effort to explain it to survey respondents and to summarize arguments for and against, one of the arguments against ranked choice voting is that very few people who are not math whizzes of quantitative political scientists fully understand it and its implications. I seriously doubt that most of the survey respondents could pass a pop quiz on how ranked choice voting works in practice. I know I couldn’t….
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